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Challenge

So week 2 of #52ancestors with Amy Johnson Crow is on a challenge – or I guess challenges. Mine was an easy decision! I’ve written on him before, so feel free to “click pause” here and read what I wrote before about Granpa Jack.

So let me explain the challenge I’ve found with Granpa Jack. Namely, I can verify his Civil War involvement. By process of elimination, I think I’ve found the one that’s him in records (like from Fold3, etc.), but nothing outright tells me it’s him. There’s no wife, parent, or brother listed in the records for the Civil War that I can find. Now, I’ve been able to eliminate some of the others when I search for John Worsham by items I see in their records.

I’d have to double check again, but I think I found Civil War Pension records for him that do give enough information to believe it’s him. The problem with that is that I don’t think it actually says his unit, etc. This is probably what led me to the “process of elimination” I did.

The ladies at the Georgia State Archives research room are fantastic! One of the nice ladies introduced me to the Salt List. That’s the list of those who received salt during the war. Salt was still important in those days for preservation and probably other things we’ve forgotten since then. We found two ladies that were listed together that appear to be the wives of my Granpa Jack and his father. The challenge with this remains the same – little way to confirm the identity in order to confirm a match.

This is Granpa Jesse.

I need to look into his Civil War records more and verify them as well. At least I have him pretty well figured out – so long as I or others don’t confuse him with the OTHER Jesse Hobby in the Worth county area!

Back in September, I visited Chickamauga Battlefield. I saw a familiar Georgia unit mentioned and scurried back to the gift shop to find the book I saw that I own – Remembering Georgia’s Confederates. I knew it had this picture in it.

See that unit listed at the bottom, handwritten. That unit fought at Chickamauga and I either hadn’t ever known or forgot! I didn’t find the marker or anything while we were there but it brought on another challenge for myself before I visit any other Civil War sites.

I need to challenge myself to create a list compiling who I know was in what unit and where that unit fought before I go to any more Civil War battlefields or sites. Especially seeing as how I LIVE NEAR Kennesaw Mountain Battlefield!

So what are your genealogy challenges? What’s your challenge to yourself?

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First

So I don’t normally do long challenges like #52ancestors with Amy Johnson Crow but I’ve really been wanting to write more on genealogy – well, write in general.  These won’t be long but I intend to do all 52 – hopefully in the same week!

So my first I thought of was finding my grandparents in the 1940 census!  I can’t remember which one but I managed to find Grandmama, Granddaddy, and Tata – all three – before it was even indexed!  I was fortunate to know where they would have been in 1940 so it just meant going through some pages one by one.  Also fortunately, they lived in small towns so it wasn’t too many pages!  I also managed to find other family in nearby pages, so now I try to check at least a page or two before and after “the one”.  (So that’s my tip of the day, look at nearby pages even if you find “the one”!)

The 1950 Federal Census will be released in April of 2022.  If you look at the calendar online, it could be either Friday the 1st or Monday the 4th.  (And all the genealogists are praying for that Friday!)

So what’s a genealogy first for you?

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Let’s talk libraries and databases!

After a wonderful genealogy/ DNA friend helped me refind something again, I thought it might be wise to share some things I learned from this whole scenario!

#1  Save your work!  Document what you find.  Email it to yourself.  Print it out.  Don’t depend on being able to remember that you found and where you found it.  (And keep track of where you look for items – make a list/ log.)

This is the big mistake I made!  I thought I’d be able to find it again.  Ooops!  Nope.  I think the database subscription from whichever access I was using didn’t renew its subscription?  Either way, I had to have help re-finding it and the database it was in!

#2  Use the library!  Your public library has FREE access to LOTS of stuff!  Books, databases, computers (to access said databases among other things).  Library cards are free as best I know and you’re likely not far from one whether you drive or not.  And if you have a computer/ internet access at home or work, you can use that card to access the card catalog, databases, and your library account (put books on hold, renew checkouts) from places outside the actual library walls.

I live in Cobb County.  I already had a library card from the Cobb County Public Library System (http://www.cobbcat.org/) and knew about accessing the databases in GALILEO from home since I work at a college and have access via work as well.  GALILEO (http://www.galileo.usg.edu/library/cobbcat/search/) is Cobb County Libraries database access system.  It’s like an online reference room of sorts and makes a great companion to the online card catalog.  Most libraries are going to have this type of access whether they’re county, regional, or state libraries.  I think librarians realize how much we like to access data and information digitally and work to make that happen and to add to the availability as much as possible.

I’m pretty sure that I’ve been underestimating the public library system here in Georgia?!  It turns out there’s ANOTHER library that’s just as close as my usual branch that’s on my way home from work!  And it might actually be close!  So check for other branches or library systems, especially if you live near a county line.  I’m not far from this library system – http://www.wgrl.net/.  You might have to ask about this or do some ingenious Googling, but there might be options available!  It wouldn’t hurt to ask a librarian if there’s anything cool you should know about their branch, system, neighboring branches or systems, or just libraries in the state in general.

Part of what makes this a cool option and find is something my grandmother actually told me about years ago.  Both of them are retired from working at the library, but it’s my dad’s mom that I used to go to work at the library with and mentioned PINES from (http://pines.georgialibraries.org/about).  For me and others like me, getting a PINES library card works IN ADDITION to my regular library card.  It’s another option with more access as far as I can tell.  (WHY am I just now looking into this?!)  This at least gives me easy access to a whole nother library system as if it were my home one – as well as on the road across the state!

So those are my finds and tips from yesterday.  What’s your big find from your library?  Any cool programs?  What about neat databases or access?  Or is yours just gorgeous and phenomenal?

I’ll be back later to talk about the Georgia Room at the main branch for Cobb County, the Switzer Branch!  (http://www.cobbcat.org/research/local-history/)

 

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Larkin Waters

Larkin Waters was born in 1802 to John Jackson Watters and Mary Cleveland.  (For now, I go with the assumption that he was born in Franklin county, GA.)

1826 appears to find Larkin on the Georgia Property Tax Digest.  This one is difficult to decipher but it appears to sell property to Cleveland Payne?  It’s difficult to say because there’s another document that seems to discuss a different land transaction Larkin and Ruth had with Kenneth and Elizabeth McKenzie.  Elizabeth McKenzie was Ruth’s mother who’d married Kenneth after her father Cleveland Payne had passed away in 1808.

His children are Harriett Nancy, Katherine, Margaret, Mary, John, Elizabeth, John Larkin Cleveland Payne, Tolerst, Catherina, Hortenst, Mary Elizabeth, and John Larkin.  It would be a fair assumption to make that Larkin and Ruth got married before Harriett Nancy was born in 1825.  The 1830 Census indicates that Larkin had two female children under 5 (if we have in fact found the correct person).  This also has them living in Franklin county, Georgia.  By 1840, they are listed in the Federal Census as living in Randolph county, Alabama.  I found and “Alabama, Homestead and Cash Entry Patent” dated October 1, 1845.  I’d have to research it more but this seems to indicate the acquiring of more land for the family.  The 1850, 1860, 1870, and 1880 Census records still find them living in Randolph county, Alabama.  1850 lists the specific location as Beat 5.  1860 says Northern Division.  1870 says Rockdale and 1880 says Morrisons.  These are probably all the same place/ area, just with different names at the different time with it being a rural area.

Larkin passed away January 28, 1895.  There’s the monument at the Waters Family Cemetery that lists him and several family members, but I’m still unsure as to the exactly location of his buriual (whether it’s there or elsewhere, I’m guessing there).  The U.S. Veterans Gravesites, circa 1775-2006 database lists him as “PVT US ARMY INDIAN WARS” with his burial being in the Waters Cemetery in Wedowee, AL 36278.  That probably refers to the Creek War of 1836 as best I can tell.

I think that at least the death date for John Robert Larkin is mistaken for who I believe is an uncle that lived next door to them at one point.

I think that at least the death date for John Robert Larkin is mistaken for who I believe is an uncle that lived next door to them at one point.

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John Larkin Cleveland Payne Waters

Let me just preface this by saying that the surname is likely going to be found as either Waters or Watters or both when it comes to a lot of things around this generation.  And likely many before and maybe a couple since!  So there’s your genealogy PSA for the day!  🙂  Don’t be TOO adamant about spelling when it comes to names.  There really are all kinds of reasons why names might not be spelled the way “you’ve always spelled it”… and probably even a bunch I haven’t thought about or run across yet!

John Larkin Cleveland Payne… okay, we’ll call him JL… was born sometime in 1844 to Larkin and Rutha (Ruth)(nee Payne) Waters.  You’ll see from the records that it’s not crystal clear if he was born in Franklin, Georgia or Randolph county, Alabama.  The 1850 Federal Census finds him living with his parents in Beat 5, Randolph county, Alabama, and lists his birthplace as Alabama.  While this census does list siblings, it’s all girls: Elizabeth (18), Catharine (16), Margaret (15), and Hariet (12).  The 1860 Federal Census, however, lists his birthplace as Georgia, bringing us back to Franklin as the birthplace.  In 1860 he is living with his parents and older sister, “Margarett”, and a baby named “E.W.”.  A couple of interesting things…  based on the age of Margarett and the baby, as well as the gap between JL and E.W., my guess would be that the baby is Margarett’s.  Also, the location it lists for their home is “Northern Division, Randolph, Alabama” and the post office is listed as Rockdale.  My guess is that they must have lived in the northern part of Randolph county pretty close to Rockdale.

Sometime before 1870 and most likely between 1860 and 1864, JL married Mary Elizabeth “Shug” Lashley.  Their oldest child I found listed in a record was Mary Ellen who was about 6 years old at the time of the 1870 Federal Census.  His son, John Robert Larkin, was 4 years old at that time and the middle child.  Listed is Ruth P. or “Ruthy” who was about one year old.  They are listed as living in Rockdale, Randolph county, Alabama with their post office being in Milner.  (Interesting since Rockdale was the post office of record for his family in the 1860 Federal Census.)  By 1880, the Federal Census has them living in Morrisons, Randolph county, Alabama.  The household consisted of JL, Shug, Mary Ellen, John Robert Larkin, Ruthy, and had added Catherine, Joseph P., Hammet M., and George L. to the family.  I’m sorry to say that at this point Granpa JL has been bedridden for two years and can not work.  Mary Ellen is also listed as “diseased” which could mean any number of things in that day and age but obviously indicates something was wrong and had impacted her health/ abilities in some way.  With the records from the 1890 Federal Census having been destroyed by fired and JL passing away in 1892, there are no further Federal Census records for him.

Information regarding his passing and bits of his life are recorded in what appears to be an obituary for Shug.

MEL Watters obit

 

There is also a little bit recorded on a monument that was erected for the family in 1996.  I’ve posted it before, but I’ll add it here again.

I think that at least the death date for John Robert Larkin is mistaken for who I believe is an uncle that lived next door to them at one point.

I think that at least the death date for John Robert Larkin is mistaken for who I believe is an uncle that lived next door to them at one point.

The obit and the monument are both a bit fascinating with all the details they seem to uncover.  One of the things I have not added to the tree on Ancestry.com is JL’s Civil War history… should get on that! 🙂

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“Who Do You Think You Are?”

I am TOTALLY excited about the new season of “Who Do You Think You Are?” starting tomorrow night on TLC!  It’s airing at 9PM Eastern and I’d really encourage you to tune in and see what they find out.  Tomorrow night starts with Kelly Clarkson.  (Psst, I notice the last name Rose and Ohio Civil War record in her preview…  🙂  )  It looks like Christina Applegate is up next.  Check out this article for more names.

So, why do I watch this.  First, because I love following their journey and excited in finding out their own family history.  I know how it excites me to find that one more document or another piece of information.  Second, you learn a bit about our country’s history.  Part of their family history is U.S. history as well.  Why did someone’s grandfather up and move to California? (Was it the gold rush?)  Why did they move one state over?  (Was it a land grant or lottery?)  Part of it is the world history as well.  Not everyone’s family has been here for decades or centuries.  Why did they come?  (My husband’s family were French Huguenots as best we can tell who left and went to Germany and came from there to America.  Religious reasons?)  Another reason is the tricks of the trade.  It’s interesting to see the actual documents they find and to find out what else is out there that I haven’t even run across yet in my searching.  (Did you know about the Salt Lists from the Civil War?  Yep, found Georgia ones with family listed!)

You’d be surprised what they learn and where they go in search of information.  What would YOU like to learn?  Tune in and see if you can find out more from them, too!

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John Robert Larkin Waters

Is that long enough name for you?  Just wait… his father’s is longer!!  🙂

As best I can tell, he was born in 1866 in Randolph county, Alabama to John Larkin Cleveland Payne and Mary Elizabeth (nee Lashley) Watters.  In 1880, he’s 14 years old and living with his parents in Morrisons, Randolph county, Alabama.  His father is listed as having been bed ridden for two years and his mother is keeping house.  His older sister, Mary Ellen, 16, is “diseased,” what exactly that means is uncertain.  His younger sister Ruthy is 11 and works on the farm with him.  They have even younger siblings at home as well: Catherine, Joseph P., Hammet M., and George L.

By May of 1884, John Robert is living in Worth county, Georgia, and marries Miss Fanny L. Goodman.  He states on the 1900 Census that he can not read or write; however, Fanny can.  They’re living in Militia District 1121 of Worth county at the time.  They have six children living with them: William A., Cora L., James B., Lizzie I., Ella M., and Johnie L.

John Robert passes away sometime after this census but before the 1910 census.  In 1910, Fanny has married Elbert Youngblood and are listed as having been married for one year, this being her second marriage and his first.  There’s a daughter, Myrtle, who is listed as 8 years old.  With her last name listed as Waters, it stands to reason that John Robert must have died prior to 1909 but after 1902.

I think that at least the death date for John Robert Larkin is mistaken for who I believe is an uncle that lived next door to them at one point.

I think that at least the death date for John Robert Larkin is mistaken for who I believe is an uncle that lived next door to them at one point.

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